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redhamuSLADate: Saturday, 12/February/2011, 5:49:12 PM | Message # 16
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Bunch o' nerd jibba-jabba going on in here!

Kuzu: I'd never try to make a comp mostly cuz if something went wrong with it, I wouldn't know how to fix the fucker. (>_<)

ban: That totally BLOWS.


 
GuzmanDate: Saturday, 12/February/2011, 7:48:59 PM | Message # 17
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Thermal paste is the stuff that's put in between a Chip & it's heatsink, to ensure good heat transfer. High-quality coolers are sanded down & polished to a sheen, but even then there are microscopic ruts & valleys on the cooler's base. Thermal paste fills the gap, so heat transfers as good as possible. Try to install a cooler w/o thermal paste & it doesn't work too well. Here is some additional reading if you'd like:

80-Way TIM Roundup

& here is a article on how to build a PC, step by step:

http://www.maximumpc.com/article....age=0,0

Also, what a find, getting just the right guy to help you out huh? Woah.

Ban: Log in later, & see how it is? >_<

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banion7Date: Saturday, 12/February/2011, 9:56:12 PM | Message # 18
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Sorry, this isnt the thread for this at all, is it lol.

Yeah Guz I logged on and it was still the same so I prestiged and actually its quite fun so no probs in the end actually.

I'll try to redeem myself by asking a sort of tekkie question - My ps3 went to ps3 heaven last week, and strangely enough, so did my friend ginjapan's playstation as well - within a week of each other - both 60G original ones, and bought within a week of each other too.

Just a coincidence, or is there any truth to the rumor that Sony fits its devices with a 'malfunction device or timer' to ensure product turnnover... or could these recent hacks and whatnot be malicious enough to actually damage your hardware??

Dunno, but it's really crappy what's going on.

 
GuzmanDate: Saturday, 12/February/2011, 11:49:01 PM | Message # 19
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Sorry, this isnt the thread for this at all, is it lol.

lol, it's not like it matters, dude!

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Yeah Guz I logged on and it was still the same so I prestiged and actually its quite fun so no probs in the end actually.

It's still shitty though... At least you are looking at it the right way.

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Just a coincidence, or is there any truth to the rumor that Sony fits its devices with a 'malfunction device or timer' to ensure product turnnover... or could these recent hacks and whatnot be malicious enough to actually damage your hardware??

I'd say nay to both of those. The fact that they both died very close to each other could raise suspicion, but yeah, I'd say it's just coincidence.

As time goes on revisions are made to the hardware which renders it much more stable, like die shrinks- 45nm process is much cooler & energy efficient than 90nm. Dunno if you saw my post in the other thread, but I ended up switching out the power supply in my PS3. That bitch was HOT. Ne w guy is much cooler to the touch; can't help but wonder if he'd still be w/ me if I hadn't changed it. *shrug*
I really doubt you'll see any problems w/ your new slim. I definitely agree though, it's pretty crappy. Early adopters are usually left out in the cold.

If you find your model here, you'll see that the Slim PS3's CELL/RSX process & power usage is much better than when compared w/ the Original.

Kuzu:
Looking around @ CPU's, I think the Intel i7 950 is the best price-to-performance ratio. If you 'do' decide to try your hand at overclocking too, it's also an excellent candidate, apparently hitting 4Ghz w/ ease.

I also read up on 'SSD's' Or Solid State Drives. I've been out of the loop for a while, so I didn't know what they were, but essentially they're flash memory HDDs. This means far quicker read/write times. it's akin to loading from a disc vs. a cartridge- it's instant.

Downside: small capacity, expensive. You could get a ~120GB one for your Windows install, & programs, then have a 2nd 1TB HDD for actual storage. The performance difference was impressive.

Message edited by Guzman - Saturday, 12/February/2011, 11:58:26 PM
 
KuzuDate: Sunday, 13/February/2011, 2:58:06 AM | Message # 20
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guz: yah dude also told me to get SSD drive. i had never heard of it. and i think i will go with i7 950. its hundreds more just for the 960-980, so yah, good choice.

not that i want this, but this is an example of what main parts are needed, for anyone like me who is unsure of whats what.
http://www.amazon.com/2010-ye....rysdsd0

interesting stuff.


 
GuzmanDate: Sunday, 13/February/2011, 3:27:36 AM | Message # 21
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interesting stuff.

Having fun? ^_-


Message edited by Guzman - Sunday, 13/February/2011, 3:27:56 AM
 
nivasan6Date: Sunday, 13/February/2011, 7:41:36 PM | Message # 22
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SSD drives are really fast, but I wouldn't buy one at this moment. The price on those things are ridiculous now, and they should be going down in the next few months. SSD is a huge improvement over your regular HDD, but I'd much rather go for the slower HDD now, and maybe add another drive later on.
 
GuzmanDate: Sunday, 13/February/2011, 11:43:33 PM | Message # 23
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Kuzu, I did some more looking, & in all honesty I'd wait till the new 'Sandy Bridge' CPUs come out. The i7 2600k is a BEAST. As is, @ 3.4GHz, it competes w/ the i7 980x Extreme. Couple that w/ lower process, (better thermals, energy consumption) unlocked multiplier (easy overclocks) & relatively cheap pricing, (~330USD) it's a total deal. In the review, they get a whole 1GHz OverClock on stock cooling. That's crazy stuff. ~4.5GHz+ is def possible w/ better cooling. The prob is that the motherboards were recalled not to long ago, due to hardware issues. The chips themselves are fine, & available now.

The Sandy Bridge Review

While the whole review can get pretty techy, I'd recommend at least thumbing though it. Particularly the benchmarks at the end, to compare. (The i7 950 is also included, so you can pay special attention to that.)

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SSD drives are really fast, but I wouldn't buy one at this moment. The price on those things are ridiculous now, and they should be going down in the next few months. SSD is a huge improvement over your regular HDD, but I'd much rather go for the slower HDD now, and maybe add another drive later on.

A 120GB drive is ~200-250 right now. Not cheap, but not prohibitively expensive either. The prices when they first came out were gross. The main reason I'd go for one now if making a new build is that they get the most use out of being a main drive. Depending on circumstances, it may not be easy to transfer over later.

But that's me. It's Kuzu's call! ^_-

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KuzuDate: Monday, 14/February/2011, 2:56:23 AM | Message # 24
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no time to respond now (coworker taking a pee) but just want to say THANKS guys. i appreciate the discussion going both ways. its good to know pros and cons as an average dood. keep em coming!

 
GuzmanDate: Tuesday, 15/February/2011, 0:22:16 AM | Message # 25
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I dunno how long you're willing to wait Kuzu, but the i7 950 is definitely not a bad choice either. Though if you do wanna wait the new Sandy Bridge CPUs are prob the better choice. I'd recommend the i7 2600k. Or you can go for the vanilla i7 2600 vers. if you don't wanna Overclock.

According to this article, there may be some availability in ~4-6 weeks.

Sandy Bridge Fiasco

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Q: When will I be able to buy a Sandy Bridge motherboard?

A: This may be the biggest problem with the chipset: a major disruption of the supply chain. Intel says it will have the updated chipset in production this month but a full volume ramp would not return until April. As of Tuesday morning, major board vendors were still unclear on when they would have replacement boards in hand. However, some OEMs are saying that updated Sandy Bridge boards could be in their hands as soon as 4 to 6 weeks. Compliciating the matter is the approach of Chinese New Year when much of China and Taiwan are shut down for the holiday. More information will be available here as we get it.

Anyway, the i7 2600k is looking to be ~330. IDK how much the Mobos are, but the LGA1366 board are kinda pricey anyway... Id may end up being slightly cheaper in the long run.
(Also, Lemme know if you want me to cut the Overclocking talk or don't intend to do it. That way I can kinda form some decisions around suggestions n' stuff.)

Anyone who is willing, mind clicking this link & posting up your base score? I don't think it's accurate... Just curious.

WEI

-I keep remembering things to add... LOL.
A note about the SSDs. As you are probably aware Kuzu, Windows doesn't see the entirety of a HDD's capacity. (IE. I've got a 250GB drive, Windows displays it as 232GB.) I forgot why this is, but it's worth noting if you decide to go for one of the smaller 60GB drives. It'll probably be in the 52-55GB range, actual. Knowing this, you may wanna get a 80/120GB drive instead. IDK. Depends on how precious that space is to you. Just something to keep in mind.

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KuzuDate: Tuesday, 15/February/2011, 2:37:35 AM | Message # 26
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4-6 weeks could mean 2months, in which case i probably wont do that. im not in a rush, but i also cant wait too long or wifey will come to her senses and not be so happy at buying a XXXX dollar computer when we already have one that works.

probably not gonna overclock cuz simply put, i have absolutely no idea what im doing. i dont think i need the slight power boost just to show off to u guys. and dont want to put extra strain on the chip, more power consumption, and risk it dying faster. u can call me vanilla ice.

my companylaptop got a 5.4 rating on that test.

can u tell me what u recommend actually putting on the SSD drive? windows, sony vegas, all main (big) programs? then putting porn, movies, music in separate HDD? if so, i dont really see the need in getting 250GB SSD, or even 120GB. i think the smaller ones should be fine, no? if its just basic programs, then a person would need that much storage, right?


 
GuzmanDate: Wednesday, 16/February/2011, 10:50:08 PM | Message # 27
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4-6 weeks could mean 2months, in which case i probably wont do that. im not in a rush, but i also cant wait too long or wifey will come to her senses and not be so happy at buying a XXXX dollar computer when we already have one that works.

Kuzu: "But honey, a 'nother computer would.."
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probably not gonna overclock cuz simply put, i have absolutely no idea what im doing. i dont think i need the slight power boost just to show off to u guys. and dont want to put extra strain on the chip, more power consumption, and risk it dying faster. u can call me vanilla ice.

Well, while OCing can be a E-peen thing, it actually does have uses. Faster video encoding being one of the prime benefactors actually. Upping the clock & voltage will kill the chip quicker, no doubt, but handled carefully w/ proper cooling & relative good decision making, it's really a non-issue. & while you may not know what you're doing, w/ no prior experience, a bit of reading & experimentation will set you in the right direction. Anyway, not trying to make ya do it. Just giving you the facts.

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my companylaptop got a 5.4 rating on that test.

Thanks. I think it's just a sample or somethin... w/e!

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can u tell me what u recommend actually putting on the SSD drive? windows, sony vegas, all main (big) programs? then putting porn, movies, music in separate HDD? if so, i dont really see the need in getting 250GB SSD, or even 120GB. i think the smaller ones should be fine, no? if its just basic programs, then a person would need that much storage, right?

yeah, you got it. Install everything to SSD. Everything not essential I'd stick in your alt drive.
& I agree. I think you can get away w/ a 60GB drive, easy. If you had lots of PC games, that might be difficult to accommodate. Even installing tons of programs, it'd take a while to fill up 60 GB.

Last: I've been working on a suggested build for you. I'll have it up in a day or two... IDK how involved you helper buddy is, (just gonna assist w/ the build?) but you could show it, tell him your main uses for it, etc, to get his opinion. I think I've got my bases covered, but just in case.
Oh, & for video card. Have any idea what you want? I was just gonna suggest a budget card, cheap, but somewhat capable, if the need arises. You *don't* play PC stuff right?

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KuzuDate: Wednesday, 16/February/2011, 11:25:05 PM | Message # 28
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so if a person did more research and got the right anal coolants and didnt muck around too much, ur saying that OC really is the way to go? i guess its just the word "over" that gets me. i realize its getting the absolute maximum potential out of the chip, but isnt getting a really good chip, without busting its balls nearly as good? to me, it kinda seems like the american dream of trying to be "the best of the best" whereas maybe im content with being "damn good, just not the best". does it require maintenance on my part? (other than the things i need to make the build) in other words, am i gonna have to do shit by myself to make sure my OC chip is happy and well fed?

i think i mentioned to the dude "what about a nVidia 460 series" or something. he said the 5xx series is just a tad more expensive and gets a good performance boost. i forgot the model number right now, but probably will spend 150-200 just because, i may play PC games when i see how freeeeking dope my PC is gonna be.

the dood seems very motivated and very helpful. ive thrown him some ideas of what im looking for, and he gives me feedback and we go from there. i would love to see what ur build looks like buddy! (or should say, our build). in case it matters, budget cap is prob $2k for everything.


 
GuzmanDate: Thursday, 17/February/2011, 6:39:46 PM | Message # 29
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so if a person did more research and got the right anal coolants and didnt muck around too much, ur saying that OC really is the way to go?

It depends on what apps you are using, some benefit others don't. OCing your 950 from 3.06GHz to 4.0GHz might net you an extra frame or two on a PC game. They are essentially dependent on Graphics cards, though it depends where the bottleneck is occurring. So in that case no. For video encoding though, which will take advantage of multiple threads, & is entirely CPU reliant, yes. How much of an improvement will you see? Hard to say. When you consider the fact that this PC will destroy your old one in terms of processing power & render time to being with, you will most likely be entirely content, when comparing to the old guy, OC or not. Here is a comparison of some OC chips versus their stock counter parts: Look at Handbrake, Intel Core i7-930 & 950. Both of their OCs got a substantial score above their lower clocked counterparts. The 950 got a 33% increase, the 930 a 48% increase. (Why the 930, @ the same speed outscored the 950 is anyone's guess.) The point is that OCing does offer some real tangible benefits.

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i guess its just the word "over" that gets me.

I definitely see where you're coming from. You seriously don't need to be worried about damaging anything though, if that's where your concern lies. Just to point out some random info regarding Overclocking:

-A Processor line (i7) is cut from the same die. There are occasions where some dies fail to operate @ higher frequencies which is why they are clocked down, & sold as "i7 920" rather than "i7 980x Extreme" (Least, that's how it used to be. Doesn't seem to be anymore. The i7 920 is an OC Beast! Anyway, that's just an example.) What I'm getting at here, is that you are essentially "guaranteed" the frequency offered by the more expensive chips. There are other differences between them, but in terms of max stable clock they will probably cap around the same point. To get even more specific on this, CPUs have a 'stepping' (Version) for example, everything I've seen looking around recommend i7 920 'D0' for Overclocking. With the right setup, I'd guess a 4.5GHz OC with this CPU is almost a certainty.

-Most likely, depending on how hard you push the chip, stock clocks w/ stock cooling @ 100% load will probably yield higher temps than a properly cooled OC'd CPU @ 100% load.

-Overclocking has moved from a hardcore niche group, to a general hobby that people do. Motherboards are often shipping with Overclocking software, right out of the box these days. So even newbies can OC from a little program w/ a nice GUI rather than having to enter the 'scary' no-man's land that is the BIOS.

-Believe it or not, you might actually find it fun too, for more than one reason.

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i realize its getting the absolute maximum potential out of the chip, but isnt getting a really good chip, without busting its balls nearly as good?

Absolutely. You'll be pleased w/ it regardless of what you decide to do.


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GuzmanDate: Thursday, 17/February/2011, 6:39:58 PM | Message # 30
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to me, it kinda seems like the american dream of trying to be "the best of the best" whereas maybe im content with being "damn good, just not the best".

for compy stuff, a good stance to take. Taking a few steps back from top of the line saves lots of money & gives you something nearly as good. The only thing I'd argue is that honestly, w/ OCing, you are getting performance for free, & it is relatively easily gained, depending on how you approach it. The best way to put it, is "why not?"
Thing is, you don't even need to be super serious about it either, if you decide to try it. There's the "super squeeze as much as I can out of it as possible" or the"moderate, but substantial OC." There are actually recommended max voltage & temps for CPUs around too.

Anyway, I apologize for all this. It's clear I support Overclocking, but I really don't want to be pushy /w you for make you feel like you need to do it. I won't bring it up again. I will say that, honestly though, don't be scared of doing it, if that's what would stop you. Your nice new PC won't explode if you try it, trust me!
If you have no desire to do it, don't! As I said before, you'll be happy w/ whatever you end up getting! ^_-

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does it require maintenance on my part? (other than the things i need to make the build) in other words, am i gonna have to do shit by myself to make sure my OC chip is happy and well fed?

After initial setup, & testing for stability, no. You're all set then.

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i think i mentioned to the dude "what about a nVidia 460 series" or something. he said the 5xx series is just a tad more expensive and gets a good performance boost. i forgot the model number right now, but probably will spend 150-200 just because, i may play PC games when i see how freeeeking dope my PC is gonna be.

Alright then! I'll keep that in mind.

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the dood seems very motivated and very helpful. ive thrown him some ideas of what im looking for, and he gives me feedback and we go from there. i would love to see what ur build looks like buddy! (or should say, our build). in case it matters, budget cap is prob $2k for everything.

Cool, cool. Good dude to have around. & yeah, trying to say within ~$1500. I'll let ya know!


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