quick scopers, on the other hand, i completely agree: it does take skill. but where they could be using that skill to kill as the game was programmed, instead they abuse the system. How many ppl have i seen dominate quick scoping? alot more than i see dominating with OMA, ill tell u that. the OMA noobs get quick kills, but also a shit load of deaths. the good quick scopers (and most who do it, are not bad at it...) usually have very few deaths, in my experience. so, in essence, they make it so that no one can ever hard-scope, as the game was intended to do, since that 1second delay will cost u ur life.

using a weapon/skill/perk and abusing it in ways it was not intended, is cheap IMO. does it take skill to quick scope? sure. was the game purposely made with hard scoping in mind? yes. why else did they make u hold run-button to steady ur shot? why did they include steadyaim pro to give u longer scoping time? while noob toobers are cheap, it is a fact that they are used in that effect in real life situations (ok, not the OMA part) but they are used to clear out bunkers and places with lots of bad guys. conversely, its unthinkable and ridiculous to consider that snipers in the real world are taking out enemies while: standing up, not holding their breath, strafing, and firing without even scoping in...

i know, there are many things about the game that are not realistic. but "quick scoping" is surely up there on the top of the list.

Let's pit a team of quick-scopers, of all the various skill levels that populate random teams, versus a team kitted with OMA & explosives... Who do you think would have a better chance of winning? Hell, do the same with those class dictated teams versus a regular kitted one & who do you think would have a better chance of winning? Let's go even more micro. YOU kit up in those two loadouts & see which one you can do better with.

I still maintain that 'cheap' is defined by ease of use & effectiveness. Remember our games the other night against that Chinese team. (-"-; )

Also, how could something not be programmed into the game, yet still exist? If it is some kind of anamoly or something, why hasn't it been corrected? Why has it been present in multiple COD games? You mentioned that people didn't quick-scope in COD4, but I ran into quick-scopers all the time. (>_<) As to the reason they programmed steady aim & all of that into the game, it's probably because most players (casual gamers) probably would never put in the time nor have the skill required to become good at quick-scoping. However, they put/left in a feature that if you DID put in the time required...if you had the skill required...you would be rewarded for that effort.

For the record, I'm not saying it's not annoying to be killed by a quick-scoper. It's annoying to die at all! But I won't hate on a guy for doing it & the last thing I'll call it is 'cheap'. That just doesn't fit for something that obviously takes skill & time to become dominant with.

*iPhone, so some things are probably fucked up. Mi malo.

Things like it should have been a question mark & not a period after the "Chinese team" sentence. I'm not trying to sound preachy at all. So, if I do at anytime, please assume I am not trying to & please understand the limitations I'm working with.

kk?

favela (& small maps): OMA
fuel (& big maps): snipers

we obviously arent going to convince the other to change views. which is fine. i dont like ppl exploiting things beyond their intended use, and profiting from it, whether or not skill is involved.

if a player can throw a grenade XX-Feet (ex: 100+feet) to the other end of the map, get an instant 5kill, does that take skill? yes. is that cheap? yes. were they intended to be thrown enormous distances, and could that happen in real life? no

the whole purpose of the "hold-breath" feature was to make sure that sniping is realisitic and balanced.
it was created so that ppl would be forced to have an incredibly poor "shakey" shot in that first second
or two before the rifle was stabilized, as would happen in real life, making them wait in order to get an
accurate shot. but since players experimented, they learned that u can indeed bypass this waiting time
(going against the original purpose of sniping...) and in fact get an accurate shot by firing immediately,
before the rifle even begins to wobble. that, my friend, is a glitch. u can sugar coat it all u want, and
call it "skill" and "masterful shooting", but its a glitch, plain and simple. the game was not intended to
let players get accurate shots before steadying their breath/aim. we can say over and over how much
skill it takes, but in the end its still just expoiting a glitch. it may not be something every noob can do,
ill admit to that (though, i would argue that any average player can do it. take a look at the thousands
of quickscoping youtube vids.. most from 12-15yr olds who cant do anything else. does this necessarily
indicate (overall) skill? no, i dont think so. i think it indicates practicing with one style of gameplay.) but
using a glitch is cheap, even if its not a simple glitch.

When sombody gets me with a DC explosive kit, OMA, Commando - any sort of knife actually, claymore, I go *Oh You Effing, MFing Son of a BITCH!!!* at least to some degree LOL... Ive never used OMA, and I dont even have DC Pro on my current prestige (stalled at 70, BTW lol) but when I kill guys with the above things I usually feel something like *HAHAHAHA! What a joke..* Not a whole lot of satisfaction there. Conversely, I still feel some degree of *YEAh!* whenever I get any kind of sniper hit.

I get shot by an assault rifle guy or sniped, I go *shit* and think about how he got me.

I get quickscoped, especially twice or more in one game by the same guy (aggressive, running and gunning guy), I go *SHIT* but at the same time, I feel respect for the guy being able to do that cause I know it&s hard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rvt8PxUlX5U
ctf with banion on fuel

Speaking of stats, where my latest update be at, dude??

yah, i remembered the stats. but i purposely delayed doing it, in hopes that i would get a few good days to turn my own stats around. in fact, im doing the opposite: getting worse and worse. i would imagine ive dropped weekly stats to the same level as when i was starting, ala noob status. i r sad. ill post em up this weekend.

Actually, I get the feeling my stats have been pretty good lately, AC130 almost every game, finishing at or near the top and not too many stupid deaths... That is, except when KuzuRanger is in the server...LOL.

Seems like you jinx me a little bit man - every time we are in the same server, I go negative and shit lol. What's up with that??

Like last nigh too, I was chugging along alright, even though playas were a bit tougher than usual the last few nights, then you show up and it went south quick... true story but I still luv u dude