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| Kuzu | Date: Thursday, 09/December/2010, 10:33:08 PM | Message # 211 |
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| red. i feel u exactly. i had 2 poor nights in a row a few days ago. couldnt get anything done right. couldnt get in a groove. couldnt get my streaks. really, for me (and probably others) its about staying cool. when i do bad, then feel shitty, it brings me game down about 60%. then i just repeat it the whole night. i think as banchu said, it may just be better to stop playing when u know thats happening. or go do zombies or theater mode or something. ive had 2 of my best nights, in gaming history, ever. back to back. the 24winstreak with dux will stand out as one of my best team victories based purely on the 2 of us fighting hard. and last night, my first time trying FFA, i just ripped the shit out of everyone. of course its 75% due to having host status and playing mediocre Yankees. but still, it felt good. my best stretch i had 3 30-1 games back to back to back. i had a whole bunch of dog win-cams (so nice watching them jump at someone slow-mo). i was basically just running around like a dumbass, 100% rungun and not thnking. this style usually gets me killed, gets me frustrated, then makes me play worse. but last night it was all working for me. i believe i won 20 or so FFA matches, bringing my winstreak to 44. MAN blackbird in FFA is a fucking killer streak. if anyone cares, my main setup after tweaking it was like this: scavenger pro / SOH pro / hacker scav pro is awesome for flushing/probing campers or rooms w/claymores. and keeping the same weapon u started with can be helpful/necessary depending on what type of shit weapons ur opponents are dropping. SOH pro for me is indispensable for fast rungun. i know steady aim is useful too, but this is much more useful for me purely for the reload factor. never get caught with ur pants down. hacker has pretty much taken over the premier 3rd tier spot in my heart. i still think ninja pro is useful, but i dont want to waste my time trying to get it every prestige (ill use it when im done prestiging) but for now hacker is most useful. obviously saving urself from claymores, but also using just seeing where the enemy is camping. hacker + scav pro is a perfect fit, since u can keep using stun nades to disable equip. and if ur doing well, u neednt worry about enemy UAVs (ghost) since u will push their shit in anyway. ok long post? so last night was by far my best FFA experience in my history. i got some challenge about beating the 2nd place dude by more than 7 kills, 15 times in my first 15 games. it was pure kuzu rape sauce. i will upload some of these, but mostly they are the same playstyle/perks/rungun ethic. ill spread em out over time so it doesnt look retarded. again, im really excited only because this type of thing is unusual for me. i know at some point, i will try again only to dismal results and utter disappointment. moral of this elongated story? having a bad night --> stop and do something else. forcing it will make things worse. having a good night --> keep doing whats working and dont stop!
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| redhamuSLA | Date: Friday, 10/December/2010, 7:21:24 PM | Message # 212 |
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| Word. That DOES sound like two great days of gaming. Yesterday during the day was a bit better, even though my connection was almost always yellow bar. I think Prestiging helps keep interest levels up or something cuz I was a little more motivated when I played. GG's Guz & illa. Guz is such a Black Bird beast! (^_-)b The night proved a bit more frustrating, however. We couldn't get any games with the party intact & when we did it was almost always late join. So dumb. I really hope this is fixed with the new patch. Either way, GG's to Kuzu & dux. How many Black Birds did we get in that Havana Demo match? Crazy. I also hope that we'll see more full green bar across the board games. I kind of lose motivation when I've got such a huge advantage over others &/or the opposite. The game feels less about skill as it is already...
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| Kuzu | Date: Friday, 10/December/2010, 9:30:41 PM | Message # 213 |
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| back to another dismal night again. couldnt find games. when we did find games someone would get disconnected. then i got DCd a few times. then even if we are in a game, i cant do anything right. get frustrated. make poor decisions. dropped a few KD points just from last night. so i guess thats sweet redemption for ya! in fact, i dunno why, but for a bit the only person on my friends list who was even online/playing was dux. just bad luck i guess. havent been in a big party for a while, and i miss it. ive got a question/comment about "search criteria". im not sure going with [Locale] is the best thing, since technically it lists me as being in the U.S....so maybe its ONLY searching for US games? not sure but i hardly get put in J-rooms, and most definitely not the first games i join. what are ur guys experience with this? i might even go with the free-mode one to search, so it wont force me to play in US games. dunno.
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| Guzman | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 1:58:37 AM | Message # 214 |
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| I'm glad that I'm not the only one w/ this problem. I though you guys had your bad games, as everyone does, but not to this degree. The fact that it fluctuates so much is more proof that COD can be pretty dumb. Also the fact that even playing games w/ the same "control" can come out so differently is baffling IMO. Same map/connection/class/strat/bad opponents, (not to sound arrogant here, but I'm very unwilling to say that anyone I've faced thus far is "good" in any way, shape, or form. TBH, I'd say that I suck pretty bad @ this.) & some games you'll destroy w/ ~30/3, then go 8/11 the next. I've got a real problem with starting a match really gung-ho, (IE. 1/5) then telling/forcing myself to stop or switch it up. Depending on how that goes, I may be able to get to 30/5, or if the game is drawn out too long (which it often is) get to 30/5, then go on a death streak after exhausting my KS, & returning to my previous form. Or of course, the obvious outcome of "8/11." LOL. So, in summation, the game, while you can make an effort to turn things in your favor, still feels like it "RNG's" lots of stuff. Eh. So yeah, I agree w/ the "quit while your ahead" mantra. If things aren't going your way, they won't, so don't try and force it. A side note here, I've completely given up on TDM/MTDM. The prevalence of ghost, second chance, bad spawns, etc. has totally killed it for me. I wouldn't consider myself a kill "whore" or that I prefer to buff my K/D playing OBJ, but there is far more structure for those GMs. I'll play FFA if I just wanna kill. TDM is OK w/ some reliable TMs (Looking @ you Alu/Marshman ^_-) otherwise it can be a total mess. That's another thing actually. You can't (or @ least I can't) influence the outcome in a meaningful way. Which is something you could do in Resi/UC2, which is really cool. What are everyone's feelings on the big KS's & the fact that KS's don't feed the next ones? When the info was coming out I though that was cool, but I'm not so sure anymore. Getting knifed @ 7 by a guy using ghost who just came from the spot I just looked @ is pretty annoying, & having to start once again can be crippling & the game slows to a crawl IMO. Feels like it anyway. & the big KS's don't feel as if they even do anything a large amount of the time. Quote (redhamuSLA) I also hope that we'll see more full green bar across the board games. I kind of lose motivation when I've got such a huge advantage over others &/or the opposite. The game feels less about skill as it is already... LOL. Agreed. Quote (redhamuSLA) Yesterday during the day was a bit better, even though my connection was almost always yellow bar. I think Prestiging helps keep interest levels up or something cuz I was a little more motivated when I played. GG's Guz & illa. Guz is such a Black Bird beast! (^_-)b Aye, GG's buddy. I <3 BB; Esp that when a TM gets it, it helps you get yours. Very rarely do I take it off, but when I'm w/ you guys, you can expect me to pump em out constantly! Quote (Kuzu) ive got a question/comment about "search criteria". im not sure going with [Locale] is the best thing, since technically it lists me as being in the U.S....so maybe its ONLY searching for US games? not sure but i hardly get put in J-rooms, and most definitely not the first games i join. what are ur guys experience with this? i might even go with the free-mode one to search, so it wont force me to play in US games. dunno. Al was telling me about this & saying that choosing local made connections worse for him, while playing on unicorns. (Aussie Acc) After switching to Batman, it got better. I would guess that the Acc, PS3, or game region could negatively affect it.
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| Kuzu | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 4:32:20 AM | Message # 215 |
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| Quote (Guzman) A side note here, I've completely given up on TDM/MTDM ditto. i try to Gaman (persevere) through it and play with u guys, but i really despise it. this is how 90% of my TDM games pan out: sprint around map. get a kill/be killed. spawns flip. have to make a 360-pattern sweep and go back to where i started. get killed by a camper in a dark corner. sprint around map looking for someone else. get a kill/be killed. repeat. i have absolutely no fun playing this mode, simply because there is no structure. the spawns keep flipping, meaning u have to keep patrolling the whole map. the whole point of objective games is that there IS a point to the game. u know what is expected of u. TDM is just random running around and either facing campers or other ppl running aimlessly. Quote (Guzman) I wouldn't consider myself a kill "whore" or that I prefer to buff my K/D playing OBJ, but there is far more structure for those GMs. exactly. i wont lie and say that getting more kills is not fun. but truth be told, i have done very little camping in BOps, as compared to the whole lot i used to do in MW2. and agree; FFA is fine if all u want to do is run around killing, since ppl pop up everywhere and very often. but TDM is just about pointless to me. i am very strongly pleading that u guys choose NOT to play this (while in our parties). again, i feel that Domination is the standard objective game; very much like TDM but with 3 main spawn locations so u can gauge where the enemy is coming from. u dont have to jump on the flag everytime (im looking at u banchu) to have fun/play effectively. nor do u need to ignore flags either. when playing with a decent party, u patrol areas, infiltrate held positions, clear out enemy (cap flag), then move on. this has strategy to me. it has purpose. its not just random go-around-the-map in a circle like TDM. u can choose to hold/defend a flag if that suits u. u can play run-gun and clear rooms. u can go all-out aggressive and jump on flags if thats ur type of thing. lately, (and i think Dux agrees with me here) Demolition is the new game. this game mode takes strategy, knowing when to flank, when to go straight on. it takes skills to hold a site or knowing how to approach it. i think there are the most kills to be had in Demo as well, since it goes on for so long and times two games. its basically like CTF with 2 points. i just think this mode is fun to play. hopefully u guys can have fun in it too.
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| banion7 | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 5:59:59 AM | Message # 216 |
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| Wow some good discussion going on round here! TDM is a wicked lady, she certainly is... lol. Get to know her and she'll treat u right... She can certainly be a dirty whore sometimes though.. The main thing about TDM is, I like the challenge because my targets (prey? lol) are not concentrating on anything other than killing people on my team as well - there are no - or shouldnt be - many "soft" kills since the name of the game is killing each other than thats it. Like I said before, I like to find good fights more than easy kills... I want the guy to be hard to kill, not too hard of course, and definately not too easy either.. Totally useless VENT here, no need to read if not interested LOL*more so than TDM though, is that FUCKING Second Chance that is getting my goat these days... I am getting owned by that hella and its getting to the point where I am screaming out in frustration at times - Red informed me at work today about my assist stats for TDM or something - dont know exactly where that is, but he said mine were through the roof... I ve lost Dogs, CG, higher streaks way too much to that damn perk... Ghost is acceptable so far, but that bloody noob RC car and Second Chance. That is pissing me off almost as much as 40s in MW2... Okay, done venting now sorry guys...* I hear what yall sayin bout OBJs, and Demolition? in particular, (is that the one we played together a little while back??) was not horrible at all when we did it. Id be down for some more o that. No TDM is alright for me too when we re partied up - but yeah, the party kick thing needs to be sorted out - I dont seem to have as much time to play these days, and so I am not too keen on farting around with parties if we keep having to back out /re search etc. Only mode I think is gross is DOM, I know it would be better if I played it more and learned the DOM things that people do, but somehow that mode bugs me maybe cause its halfway between two things - not enough structure to be an OBJ, but enough to give dudes the seams to run their little patterns to get their kills - and if you dont know these things, you are just fodder for those guys... Anyways for me, CTF and Demolition? seem to give enough structure to be fun and also not worry too much about kills. Whatever, Im down for anything really - just nice to play together whatever mode it is. Red, u prestige?
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| redhamuSLA | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 6:01:39 PM | Message # 217 |
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| Ha! I've never see Guzman go 1-5 to start off ANY game EVER, despite his claims of doing so (I on the other hand have done so all too many times...). You don't need to prove it to me either, buddy. Just keep up that BB work & everything will be fine. (^_-)b Demo can actually be fun, for sure, but sometimes it can just go FOREVER. LOLZ at banchu lastnight, "We do WHAT in this game mode? Something's just not right!" & my favorite one of the night, "Just chilling there will get you headshot, son! Ooooo!". Soooo funny! Guz had a good one too that went something like this... red: "Guz, are you running with the AUG intentionally?" (Just wondering if he actually had it equipped or he had picked it up from a cadaver.) Guz: "I do EVERYTHING intentionally." Woah! My bad, dick! LOLZ. Either, gg's last night dudes!
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| banion7 | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 7:18:00 PM | Message # 218 |
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| Gyeah fun games last night, and yeah seemed like the games were sooo short, like too short to get streaks out, and then epic long ones like that one on Firing range where Red and Guz had like 80 or almost 90 kills apiece... Yikes! LOL. I had fun with Demo, but I was finding myself in wierd parts of the map a lot where I usually never am in TDM so kinda offputting but no big deal. I can't believe what a "Second Chance racist" Ive become LOL - what that means is, even though there were not a whole bunch of guys using Second Chance in those Demo games last night, any time I came across one I was screaming about the perk and at the guy for running it... I also automatically assume hes a noob too haha - too many experiences in TDM I guess where I get my streak wrecked by SC and the noob who did it was 4 21 and 3 of those were on me with Claymore and SC,... Happens waaay too much. O well. Cant blame anyone for running a perk that works I guess. Wierd thing is, when I ran it for a bit in the beginning, I cant actually remember getting a kill with it. Must take skill to use, no doubt bout that. Just hate it. You think??? LOLZ Side note, I havent been watching much COD vids on youtube lately, but one guy I like these days is called Chris Smoove - that search should bring up his channel I think he does the commentary as he plays, not recorded afterwards overtop, he's really calm (smoove LOL) and he says funny shit sometimes. He's smart, not so flashy, and he gets it done in the end - the commentary and editing makes the vids entertaining more than pure L33T gameplay. Check buddy out if u get the chance.
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| Guzman | Date: Saturday, 11/December/2010, 10:34:54 PM | Message # 219 |
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| Kuzu: Agree w TDM assessment. Also, nearly every time I play the game it is very lopsided. Either my team dominates, & I spend a great deal of time trying to find anybody, or if its the other teams turn to whoop up on us, I can't get a moment's peace. Quote (banion7) Ghost is acceptable so far, but that bloody noob RC car and Second Chance. I hear ya on those. The few times I do manage to evade the damn car I'm taken out of the game for a good bit climbing/changing directions/jumping out of windows. LOL. I'm convinced that 2nd Chance is getting a boost from lag. While you're blasting 'em, & still quite haven't made the realization that "hey, he should be dead" he's already on his back filling you up. Quote (redhamuSLA) Ha! I've never see Guzman go 1-5 to start off ANY game EVER, despite his claims of doing so (I on the other hand have done so all too many times...). You don't need to prove it to me either, buddy. Good, cause I wasn't going to! I wouldn't want to ruin your perception of your hero! Seriously though, I guess the likely hood of it happening increases when running solo... I haven't seen any of us get off to that rough of a start. Quote (redhamuSLA) LOLZ at banchu lastnight, "We do WHAT in this game mode? Something's just not right!" & my favorite one of the night, "Just chilling there will get you headshot, son! Ooooo!". Soooo funny! LOL. "Something's just not right!" Though that Demo was reallllly drawn out (& drained me a good bit TBH) It was one of my fave games of the night, along w/ the demo vs. the "Nub+s" I'm not quite sure what KS's I was using, but I think I was 3/8/9... Anyway I ended up losing my BB like 3 or 4 times, a kill short each time. Probably should've been more defensive, esp when so close. But in a way, IDK, I don't like the big killing KS's. Killing dudes w/ guns is where it's at IMO. The total amount of kills I gained that whole game was by my me, not my CG. The games where you get 33-2 w/o the assistance of killing KS's is far cooler IMO. Edit: LOL. "cadaver"
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| redhamuSLA | Date: Monday, 13/December/2010, 7:58:04 AM | Message # 220 |
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| Guz, Sorry about last night, dude. I was a little distracted with recording sometimes while we talked. I just wanted to clarify my answer to your question "Who is better, Japanese or American players?". I can't really answer that either way with 100% certainty & since I've only ever played against them both on dedicated servers for 3 games (RFoM, R2 & KZ2), I can only really answer with those three games in mind. From my experience I can say that Japanese squads work extremely well together. I've also been impressed with many of the Japanese player's precision & decision making under pressure. Naturally, there are American squads that work well together & players that have amazing precision, but I just feel like I ran into more J's with those attributes. I don't, however, know if it's a cultural or numbers thing & both could be possible as well as my own biased observations. I think in my rambling I said that J-scrubs are better than American scrubs, but I probably meant the "mediocre" players. All scrubs/nubs are kind of the same. LOL. Then again, it might just mean that because they work really well together they seem better? I don't know. What do YOU think? I always felt it was a bit easier to break down a mediocre American squad than a mediocre J-one... Also, don't take down that vid you wanted me to check out yet. I haven't had a chance to watch it. (^_-)b ----------------------------- Regarding KS's, I think they are fine not stacking. That being said, it's definitely gay when bullshit gets you killed at 7. LOL. I read elsewhere an interesting idea. They proposed a tier 1 Perk that when equipped would expose Ghost's with UAV. I've also got beef with the fact that Counter-UAV takes out BlackBird. Huh?! Nothing should take that thing out, let alone something that takes LESS kills to get! If we are talking about bullshit, no COD discussion is complete without the mention of the knife. That thing is mad retarded. What is so hard about making the animation a gun-butt before your opponent is damaged 50% & that does 50% damage itself? If they are lower than 50%, make it the knife. Straight into melée should NEVER be a 1-hit kill. Panicked melée should get you killed by a superior opponent, not the other way around.
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| Kuzu | Date: Monday, 13/December/2010, 2:34:00 PM | Message # 221 |
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| no one asked me, but ill butt in with my observations. i pretty much feel exactly as Red does about J v A players. as far as teams go, hes right on the spot. the J teams dont even use mics as much, but they seem to know how to play better together. as in, sacrifice for the team. as in, some guys get UAVs, some go rushing, some sit on D, etc. i think this does have to do with cultural values, TBH. American culture puts the individual first; look out for yourself and yourself only. J culture is a group culture; look out for the whole group first. i do think this extends on the playing field. so i do feel that an organized J team is better than an organized A team. also along that vein, i think reds assessment was again spot on about noobs. *though he changes his statement to mediocre. i think the worst A noobs are worse than J noobs. A noobs tend to be very young, pre-teen, who has zero patience and zero skill as well. a J noob, while maybe having the same amount of (non)skill, still has more patience. J players dont seem to get mad (ever? often?) so this is a huge factor in how we play. as we all know, playing mad = playing bad. as for medium level players, i think J has the edge here too, simply because i seem to run into LESS J players, and when i do, they dont seem so easy to dominate. of course, there are many A players who are great and all, but i think there are just more impatient, prepubescent, ADD kids out there in America, and this influences gameplay quite alot. ----------------- ive had this discussion about KS in other forums too. i dont think anything should be changed. KSs are fine the way they are (maybe with the exception of RC car.. should be a 5-KS in my opinion, the same as predator was for MW2). the top streaks are fine. they can be taken down very easily with coordinated effort (ie 2 ppl using launchers) and they can also destroy the enemy for maximum casualties. dogs get kills, but not as many as Gunship could if it were left unchecked. blackbird is a great streak, and i didnt even use it much until recently. but i think its still a little bit underdog (which is good!). ppl dont realize how utterly beneficial it is yet, nor do i think ppl realize about the counter UAV, so dont go spreading the news! i am quite pleased with perks and KSs at this point. i hate ppl complaining about ghost and "slowing the game down". this is dumb. ghost aka cold blooded aka uav jammer has been around forever in the COD series. it is not new. nor are the effects new. ppl are playing differently as each COD game comes out, that is why ppl feel the way they do. everyone complained about camping in mw2, yet at the same time the game was never considered "too slow" or "ruined by cold blooded". im sick of this ghost argument. getting a 3KS UAV should not let u see everyone on the other team. ppl with ghost should be invisible, otherwise there would be no challenge in finding ppl. ghost is not the only good/useful 1st perk. flak jacket is great for objective games, not getting killed by nades and noob toobs. scavenger is a great all-around perk, but even more so for rungun style SMGs or ARs with SOH *thats just my preference. lightweight we all know can work if u got the skills. hardline is ok, but mostly ppl dont use it since its always been an underdog perk, but that doesnt mean its not useful. 2kill UAV? 4kill Carepackage? thats not too shabby. and yes. hate the knife. i know partly its because i have slower "knife reaction time" when facing ppl face to face. but that is because i like shooting more. i would rather shoot someone than just lunge into them with a knife. i think its gay in the first place. but making it so damn easy just chaps my hide. swiping at ridiculous angles. not even facing the enemy. this type of thing makes me so frustrated with knifing. ------------------------- NEWS FLASH: i am going back to Cali, cali, cali. im going going back to Cali. uh uh i dont think so (LLCoolJ) but yah, im going home for 2 weeks (14-28th). have fun amigos.
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| banion7 | Date: Monday, 13/December/2010, 8:39:58 PM | Message # 222 |
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| Oh wow Kuz, have fun in Cali! I agree with everything said here, bout J players and A players and such (are either actually better or worse than the other??), and about knives and perks and whatnot. Coming to grips with my own demons, Im learning to overcome and accept SC - not having As much difficulty with it now after adjusting accordingly - treat every kill like its gonna be SC and go from there... I will revive any squirrel I can when we play, however I refuse to promote that perk by reviving random dudes when I play by myself.. In fact, last night I stood in front and gave them a love knife just to make a point.. lol. My first perk is almost always hardline... Care packages get me killed a lot but turning ammo into Counter Uav is worth it. Now that I got Steady Aim Pro, Ive decided I dont like it really - I hipfire fine without it and I never (can't) knife either so SOH is def the way to go for me... Was pretty fun hiijaking claymores last night with Hacker - I didnt even know u could do that duh! but anyways, thats my main third. What is your guys thoughts on the G11??
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| redhamuSLA | Date: Monday, 13/December/2010, 8:46:26 PM | Message # 223 |
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| I see your points about Ghost, but something should change IMO. It's current rendition to the one in MW2 isn't really a fair comparison. The main reasons being that in MW2 it was (iirc) a 2nd Slot Perk & as such, most people ran with Stopping Power. Not only that, but also the simple fact that you had to reach level 30-something to access it, made it less of an issue. The BLOPS version can be purchased basically as soon as you can create your own classes--which is at what, level 4? COD, by it's very nature, has always given that random corner-camping noob a fighting chance at a kill to add to his 4-15 effort, if no UAV is up. BLOPS Ghost only exacerbates this, thus leading to frustration for a lot of players. -My 2 cents on the subject. Have fun in Cali, dude. Travel safely. See you in-game when you get back!
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| Ang | Date: Monday, 13/December/2010, 10:38:02 PM | Message # 224 |
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| Have a safe trip Kuzu! I was over at a friends house trying out new guns on his account. Damn, that dude sucks. K/D is .34 D: lol Anyway, he has already unlocked everything and does not want to Prestige. I tried out different set ups for a change of pace. I actually liked this: MP5k with Lightweight/Steady Aim/Marathon. Attachment: extended mag. That gun is BEAST at short range-hip fire. Also, I changed killstreaks to Spy Plane/Counter/Bird. I got a lot of great games and got my buddy's K/D to a positive, although that won't last long for him. Oh, and I played on Xbox, the game seems to be much harder, considering there are a shit load of people online.
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| redhamuSLA | Date: Tuesday, 14/December/2010, 7:52:17 PM | Message # 225 |
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| banchu, you are hip-firing with what gun? If it's the AK74u, I'm pretty sure 3Arch have widened the natural hip-fire spread on it this last patch cuz it was a bit too accurate. I could be wrong, though. AngTeach, yo! Extended mag on MP5K, huh? I'll check it out. I haven't looked at the gun stats, but is it buffer in CQB than the AK74u? I would imagine that the Xbox would have more competition than the PS3 in America. The opposite is true here. --------------------------------------------- gg's to banchu, Guz & illa lastnight. (^_-)b I know how frustrating yellow bar is, so thanks for sticking around. Man, we'd fuck people up for free, if there were dedicated servers! R&Ging was fun lastnight--AK74u w/ Extended Mags. I don't know how many times I would get 3 of them almost in a row. LOL. Random observation from lastnight: Mortar Airdrops or whatever they're called seem pretty fucking buff on Demo, huh? That J-clan used them well. It's something to look into.
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